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What do you think is much better, HP Slate or the iPad?

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Everybody’s talking about tablets, especially those single-pane capacitive touchscreen ones more specifically known as “slates.” the iPad is the biggest newsmaker, but there are lots headed our way (most with built-in webcams). Here’s how they measure up, spec-wise:

Updated: We’ve added Lenovo IdeaPad U1 and Archos 9 Windows 7 edition—see below for more details.

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As you can see, they have different strengths and weaknesses, some of which will become more clear in the coming months as we learn more about each tablet. (That Dell Mini 5 is especially inscrutable right now.)

The iPad has the most storage, cheap 3G, the time-tested iPhone OS and its mountain of apps, and a serious amount of Apple marketing juice behind it. but it’s also famously lacking features common to the other tablets, such as webcam and multitasking (only first party apps like music and email can multitask). the Notion Ink Adam is perhaps the most interesting of the bunch, with its dual-function transflective screen from Pixel Qi: It can be either a normal LCD or, with the flick of a switch, an easy-on-the-eyes reflective LCD that resembles e-ink. its hardware is also surprisingly impressive—but it remains to be seen if Android is really the right OS for a 10-inch tablet.

The Dell Mini 5 and forthcoming Android edition of the Archos 7 tablet are two of a kind, almost oversized smartphones in their feature sets. is an extra two or three inches of screen real estate worth the consequent decrease in pocketability? Perhaps not. And finally, there’s the maligned JooJoo, formerly the CrunchPad, a bit of an oddball as the only web-only device in the bunch. It doesn’t really have apps, can’t multitask, and pretty much confines you to an albeit fancy browser, sort of like Chrome OS will. the JooJoo is also the only tablet here to have no demonstrated way to read ebooks.

Update: the two new additions in v.2 of this chart, the Lenovo IdeaPad U1 and Archos 9, are both unusual. the Windows 7-powered Archos 9 has been available since September, is the only slate here that lacks multitouch, and is the only one with a HDD instead of solid state memory of some kind. It’s more related to the older tablets, but there’s no keyboard, just a 9-inch touchscreen. It doesn’t even have specific apps like the HP Slate’s TouchSmart, it’s just a Windows computer.

The Lenovo IdeaPad U1 is even weirder, in that it’s actually two computers—the specs listed in the chart are for the tablet detached, but when it’s attached to its base, it switches both hardware and software. in its attached form, it’s a Windows 7 laptop with a full keyboard and trackpad, Core 2 Duo processor, 4GB of memory, eSATA, VGA- and HDMI-out, and all the other amenities you’d expect from a modern thin-and-light. we just have see what it’s like when it ships in June.

Data Sources:
Apple iPad: [Gizmodo]
HP Slate: [Gizmodo, GDGT; Tipster]
Fusion Garage JooJoo: [Gizmodo]
Notion Ink Adam: [Slashgear]
Dell Mini 5: [Gizmodo, Gizmodo]
Archos 7 Android: [DanceWithShadows, Gizmodo]
Lenovo IdeaPad U1: [Lenovo, Gizmodo, Gizmodo]
Archos 9: [UMPCPortal, Archos]

A quick word about “slates” vs. “tablets”: These are tablets, and it’s a word we prefer. the sad fact is, it’s overused. There’s no way to say “tablet” without including every godawful stylus-based convertible laptop built since 2002. (Thank you, Bill Gates!) And even the new touchscreen tablets come in single-pane and keyboard-equipped laptop styles. so “slate,” good or bad, is the more apt term.

Send an email to Dan Nosowitz, the author of this post, at dnosowitz@gizmodo.com.

Slate Showdown: iPad vs. HP Slate vs. JooJoo vs. Android

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Hi all,

This is an interest article, I don’t agree with all of it’s points, however a number of the items mentions, are directly on point.

The second half of the article deals with webOS, Palm and HP!

Can Cisco and HP Compete with Apples iPad?
By: Rob Enderle, July 8, 2010

Can Cisco and HP Compete with Apple’s iPad?

The fun part about talking about products that arent out yet is that you can paint them the way you think they should be or paint them the way youd like them to be if you are a fan of the current winning offering. Im going to pick choice number 3 though and paint them the way I think they will be and see how they might do against the current generation iPad. Well first outline the devices based on what we know so far and speculate what we think they might be able to do.

Cisco Cius: cool Tablet or Really Expensive Corporate Phone?

This has to be one of the most interesting attempts being made on the tablet space. Cisco has effectively tossed out what Apple has done and instead approach this effort not as an Apple clone but as a Cisco original. I certainly applaud the effort, but having watched several telephony vendors try this over the last few decades I wonder if they are aware of the reasons it hasnt worked yet.

That aside, the Cisco Cius is more of a next generation Communicator than either an iPhone or iPad. It is designed to be integrated with your desk phone at work and likely will have a similar dock for your home desk and/or bedside table. this will allow it to be the universal display for your phone wherever you are and link your business services through your Cius along with your phone calls. I would expect things like follow me calling to be a core feature (this is where people get one number that rings wherever you are) and integrated voice mail and email services all showcased on the Cius display.

It is a full android device but I expect access to the app store will be through a Cisco service which will be cloned by your company and only allow company approved applications to be on the device. think of this as being as much about rethinking the office phone and updating it for Cell phone, video conferencing, and tablet computing. this thing could replace your laptop but likely, at least initially, be used in conjunction with a desktop computer.

HP Palm Pad with Voodoo Technology: HPs Halo Product or Train Wreck?

One thing that is hard to forget is that HP pretty much destroyed VoodooPC when they bought them and, if they arent very careful, they will do the same thing to Palm. having said that, they were faced with ugly choices before buying that company; either wait for the ever late Windows Phone 7 platform to finally arrive or use Android and deal with the reality that Google sucks worse than Microsoft does when it comes to OEM relationships.

So HP said no to both Microsoft and Google and bought Palm to take control of their own destiny and, coincidently, Palm had a tablet in the works. Question is, given that Palm bled a lot of people over the last year, how far behind schedule is this Palm tablet?

This Palm tablet is closer to the iPad in terms of design than the Cius is and Palm likes tethering suggesting youd be able to use the data plan on a tethering enabled phone, something you cant do with the iPad. The WebOs is often thought to be easier to develop for than either the Apple or Android platforms (easier approval than Apple, better tools than Android and no Chrome OS bigotry).

Expect it to be light on applications but long on value for the dollar and a better companion to the Palm Pre and follow on HP phone than the iPad is to the iPhone. also HPs TouchSmart interface is a natural here but there isnt enough time to put it on the device suggesting it either wont be there at launch or the device will be delayed after year end. so it will similar device to the iPad in terms of hardware but with a lower initial purchase price, lower potential data fees (when tethered), and support for both Flash and multi-tasking.

Beating Apple
As I mentioned earlier Ive been involved in several attempts to bridge PCs and corporate telephony and take devices from corporations to consumers. Successes are so few and slight as to not be worth mentioning. if Cisco can keep the cost of the phone/tablet solution in line with the cost of their corporate desktop phones and build strong consumer buzz on the tablet they could blindside Apple and do some really interesting things in the corporate market. but Ill bet they miss on price and miss on consumer buzz while hitting hard on the corporate aspects of the device. they will find, as their predecessors have, that IT organizations suck at moving hardware like this; Apple can sleep soundly here.

HP has more potential, however the experience with Voodoo PC is a cautionary tale. HP has to have a device that is more attractively priced than Apple (not hard at all), one that has similar core capabilities (also within Palms scope), it has to be positively differentiated in the market (they can do that), and they have to avoid destroying the Palm value they just acquired while building a similar kind of solution to Ciscos. One that cuts across HP (and there is the problem).

However, HP is the one company that truly scared Apple in the early days of the iPod so much so that Steve Jobs offered HP a cloned iPod in exchange for killing their offering. I doubt that tactic will work this time and Todd Bradley who used to run Palm, currently runs the HP PC division that will own Palms future, and he should know how to make the best use of Palm now that he controls it again.

Chances are the real push from HP will come next year when HP can put their full effort behind an HP designed product. this years product, assuming it even shows up, will be a place holder for something better later on.
Wrapping Up
Apple continues to define the tablet and Smartphone space. so far, only the combination of Google and Verizon with the Droid has provided a credible challenge to their core market. RIM has held on to their segment but failed to be much of a concern for Apple. Microsoft has been schooled by Apple repeatedly, showcasing how hard it is to compete effectively with Apple.

Both Cisco and HP have advantages in scale and breadth that Apple lacks, but to make use of them they have to do things Apple has proven very good at, like well-funded demand generation user marketing which both HP and Cisco have struggled with at times. However these companies have also stepped up to competition like this in the past, HP against IBM and Dell, and Cisco against 3Com for example. but consumer electronics have been problematic for these companies. HP did poorly with TVs and little Sonos kicked Ciscos butt with home media suggesting that in Apples new market they have issues.

The question remains, will they step up or should we be anticipating the excuses they will make when they dont succeed? what do you think? I think that at least for this year Apples Cisco and HP worries are slight. next year, at least with HP, things could get more interesting. Watching Apples stumbles with the iPhone 4, they may have a better chance than any of us actually think.

Can Cisco and HP Compete with Apple's iPad? – PreCentral Forums

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I have a lot of money to spend because I was saving up, but I don’t know what I should buy with it. Should I buy an HP Touchsmart 300z series, iPad when it comes out in late may, or a PS3?
Information: I already have a Windows 7 laptop, not touch screen, I have an iPod 1st gen, and I have a Wii.

Which should I get, Hp Touchsmart, iPad or PS3?

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“There are more Apple approved mobile applications/games available than all of the non-approved iPhone and other mobile OS applications COMBINED.”

Well then it’s a good thing the HP Slate isn’t running a mobile OS. iPhone OS will never have even a fraction of the applications available on Windows and the open Internet today.

“Apple’s “closed” ecosystem has been a gold-rush for developers, and allows users to buy apps on the fly without needing a computer.”

Just like in a dictatorship or any 3rd world country when you ban and strictly control what is available every commodity becomes much more valuable. In prison cigarettes are like gold. great news if you want to sell cigarettes, but bad news if you are addicted to them. Apple has cut off access to most of the applications that run on the internet through Flash/Java/Silverlight and also banned the ability to install applications outside of their own personal approval. that makes using an Apple device like being stuck inside of a jail, which is why many people have to hack their devices to “jailbreak” them. Ban all the free available Flash sites, games and applications and now the companies can charge suckers money for everything they get for free on Windows. Perfect example is that on Windows I can watch my Slingbox for free on the website or with their desktop software in HD, but on the iPhone/iPad I have to pay $30 to watch my Slingbox in 320×480 resolution. Yep Sling can make a lot of money off of Apple’s prisoners.

“Access to millions of applications, for just about every need possible, that will not hose my system.”

Really? How do I print a website or email that has vital information? How about printing a document that someone sends me? Can I play free games on Facebook or any website? Can I listen to my free Zune music and videos that I purchase every month? How about video chats with Skype or Google Talk? Almost nothing that I do works on an iPad, I know this because I already own the iPod Touch (aka iPad Nano) and I never use it. I look at the Apple app store and I see tons of fart apps and soundboards and overpriced games and software that is free on the Flash-capable Internet.

“This is a platform meant to satisfy a broad range of consumers… so it has to be trouble-free.”

As opposed to Windows computers and netbooks which sell hundreds of millions of units every single year? I think Windows already successfully satisfies a “broad range of consumers” better than any other platform in existence. who do you think the 120 million netbooks sold went to if not a broad range of consumers? The iPad does meet my needs at all therefore whatever range Apple targeted was not nearly broad enough.

“There are far more app choices on with the iPhone.”

Compared to what? Not Windows, that’s for sure. that might be a temporary argument against Android devices, but not against Windows. even Mac OS and Linux have more software applications than iPhone does. You can’t compare any OS to Windows in terms of available software applications. and then when you ban Flash from your devices you’re basically banning 99% of the applications that are available on the Internet. and lets not forget that the iPhone apps were not designed for the iPad screen and therefore do not look good or work well for such a high resolution device. so basically with iPad you have a $600 dumbed down “computer” that only runs a couple of thousand apps in a functional way and can’t display over 50% of the websites as they were intended because the mobile web browser does not support Flash, Silverlight or Java plug-ins.

HP Slate more Netbook than iPad

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i have 550 dollars to spend on a computer. i dont have a computer right now and i need something.
should i get an ipad or should i get a hp dv6

ipad or hp computer please help me choose?

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June 16, 2010, 4:15 PM EDT

(Updates with closing shares in 10th paragraph.)

June 16 (Bloomberg) — Microsoft Corp.’s failure to deliver a tablet-friendly version of Windows is forcing big computer makers like Hewlett-Packard co. and Dell inc. to rely on rival software to help them keep up with Apple inc.’s iPad.

Windows 7, the most recent version of Microsoft’s operating system, is too unwieldy for an iPad-like device, said David Daoud, an analyst at IDC. A lighter edition won’t be ready until the fourth quarter, giving Apple almost a year’s head start in the burgeoning market for tablets.

“The Windows world needs to respond,” said Daoud, whose firm is based in Framingham, Massachusetts. “They will have to play catch-up.”

the iPad’s success caught much of the PC industry by surprise. within two months of the April 3 release, Apple sold 2 million iPads — more than IDC expected for the entire tablet industry in 2010. To catch up, Dell and Hewlett-Packard are turning to Google inc.’s Android operating system. Taiwanese manufacturers that build most of the world’s PCs said they’re dissatisfied with Microsoft’s current lineup.

“We don’t have any choice for now,” said Joseph Hsu, chairman and president of Taipei-based manufacturer Micro-Star International co., a maker of laptops and computer parts. Windows 7 is too powerful and consumes too much energy from batteries, he said.

the iPad, which can display books, videos and the Internet on a thin touch screen, will reach sales of 5.5 million units this year and jump to 13 million next year, according to Macquarie Group Ltd.

‘Feedback Is Fair’

John Kalkman, a vice president in the Microsoft division that works with computer makers, said the feedback from PC manufacturers is “fair.” later this year, Microsoft will release Windows Embedded Compact 7, which will require less processing power and reduces the drain on batteries.

Microsoft, based in Redmond, Washington, has tried for more than a decade to build a market for tablet-sized personal computers. Chairman Bill Gates predicted in November 2001 that the tablet would become the most popular form of PC within five years.

Demand for the Windows tablets currently sold by Hewlett- Packard and Dell has been lackluster, according to IDC. Before the iPad made its debut this year, the researcher had been forecasting that sales of tablets would decline to less than 1 percent of the overall PC market in the U.S. IDC had predicted total shipments of just 523,000 tablets.

Passed by Apple

Microsoft, passed by Apple as the largest technology company by market capitalization this year, fell 26 cents to $26.32 at 4 p.m. New York time on the Nasdaq Stock Market. Palo Alto, California-based Hewlett-Packard rose 3 cents to $48.01 in New York Stock Exchange composite trading. round Rock, Texas- based Dell declined 1 cent to $13.99 on the Nasdaq.

Intel Corp., whose chips run about 80 percent of the world’s PCs, hasn’t helped Microsoft’s cause. the chipmaker’s most energy-efficient tablet-ready processors don’t run Windows 7 — and won’t until early next year.

Hewlett-Packard spokeswoman Marlene Somsak declined to comment on sales of tablets based on Microsoft software. Dell spokesman Jake Whitman said Microsoft Windows, used in the company’s Latitude tablets, “helps provide a flexible and intuitive tablet-PC computing experience.”

Streak Product

Dell will begin selling a combination smartphone and tablet with a 5-inch (13-centimeter) screen in the U.K. this month. It should be in the U.S. later in the summer. Called the Streak, the device uses Android and Qualcomm inc.’s Snapdragon chip.

Hewlett-Packard, the industry’s leader, acquired Palm inc. to gain its own operating system for portable devices. Hewlett- Packard is also using a Qualcomm chip in a new Android product called AirLife, which it began selling in Spain this year.

Both companies plan to continue offering Windows tablets.

At Micro-Star, Hsu is waiting for Windows Embedded Compact 7. It also will be compatible with ARM-designed chips, the basis for products from Qualcomm, Texas Instruments inc. and Nvidia Corp. ARM’s technology also is used in the A4 processor, which runs Cupertino, California-based Apple’s iPad.

Microsoft’s Windows 7 requires a full PC processor to run effectively. Chips of that class need a fan to keep cool and a big battery to keep them going for longer than a few hours.

Atom Chips

Micro-Star is developing a tablet that uses Atom, an Intel processor originally designed for low-cost netbooks. the trouble is, it lacks the power to provide the same kind of smooth video and Internet speeds as the iPad, Hsu said.

Microsoft’s Kalkman suggests manufacturers use a more powerful chip with two processors, a setup known as dual-core.

Asustek Computer inc., the Taipei-based maker of Eee PCs, has a Windows 7 tablet with an Intel dual-core chip. It can run for six hours. still, that’s about half the 10 hours offered by the iPad.

Intel plans to improve battery life by releasing a dual- core version of Atom for tablets early next year. It will use half the power while offering enough processing to provide smooth video and fast Web surfing.

“We’re very excited about the tablet segment — we see it as an opportunity for Intel to expand its business,” Matthew Parker, a product manager for Intel, said in an interview.

Even the next crop of products — Windows Embedded Compact 7 and Intel’s Atom chips for tablets — may not help the companies achieve the dominance they’ve enjoyed in PCs, said Michael Gartenberg, a partner at Altimeter Group, a research firm in San Mateo, California. neither technology was originally designed for tablets, he said.

“Because Microsoft is so entrenched in Windows, they seem to be missing these larger opportunities,” he said. “Same for Intel — they’ve been very focused on the PC and PC-like devices.”

–With assistance from Dina Bass in Seattle and Connie Guglielmo in San Francisco. Editor: Nick Turner, Tom Giles

To contact the reporters on this story: Tim Culpan in Taipei at tculpan1@bloomberg.net; Ian King in San Francisco at ianking@bloomberg.net

To contact the editors responsible for this story: Young-Sam Cho at ycho2@bloomberg.net; Tom Giles at tgiles5@bloomberg.net

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The apps make theiPhone. So every time an acquaintance picks one up, just about the first thing they ask is: “What apps should I get?”

This is my current list of apps you might want to download. It’s tailored to my use case, which is that of a fairly frequent business traveler and social media user. To the degree your profile is different; your mileage will vary. I’ve left off games–a post topic of its own–but I’ve included some honorary mentions that are good and innovative, but which I just don’t find myself using as frequently as some of the others.

TweetDeck (free). This is my favorite twitter application for the iPhone. Tweetie 2 is another popular option.

Facebook (free). you can link Facebook into TweetDeck, but I prefer using the standalone application.

Fluent News application on iPhone

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Google (free). in addition to typing in a search in the usual way, you can also try speaking your queries; the results are predictably imperfect but they’re accurate enough of the time for the voice option to be very handy. for certain queries, Google can also use your current location to refine results.

Kindle (free). Reading on the iPhone works surprisingly well given its relatively small screen. that said, I view this app as primarily a companion to Kindle oriPad hardware. you might read a few pages of a book while waiting in line or taking the subway, but probably wouldn’t buy a book with the intention of reading it exclusively on an iPhone.

Yelp (free). Yelp’s crowd-sourced reviews of businesses have their critics, both for the uneven quality of the reviews and for the (unproven) accusations that “pay for play” benefits for the businesses that are Yelp customers. Personally, I find Yelp a useful resource and, combined with location information from a phone, an invaluable in a city or area that I don’t know well. AroundMe (free) is similar to Yelp in many respects. sometimes I prefer one and sometimes the other. get both. Zagat To Go ($9.99) is an economical iPhone version of the popular and pithy survey-based restaurant guides.

Wikipedia (free). Wikipedia works well enough in a browser on the iPhone, but I want some nugget of information when I’m on the road often enough that it’s worth it to install a dedicated app. This is the Wikipedia Foundation’s official version, although there are a number of similar alternatives as well.

Fluent News Reader (free) is probably the best news application for the iPhone that combines feeds from a number of different sources. I’m also a fan of the NYTimes (free)–although it’s less distinctive than the dedicated iPad version–and TIMEMobile (free).

Epicurious (free) is the recipe application for the iPhone that I find myself trying first. perhaps this is because it includes the recipes from the late, lamented Gourmet Magazine. It’s a great way way to find a recipe when you’re in the store and see some nice cut of meat or fish on sale.

Pandora (free). the popular music streaming service is not only great to use on-the-go but, plugged into a home stereo, gives you an easy way to play customized Internet radio channels at home as well.

Tripit (free) is a service to which you mail your flight itineraries, hotel reservations, and so forth and, all going well, it will parse them into a standardized format. the iPhone app displays this and other information you enter in an easy-to-read format. I find it invaluable to have my travel information at my fingertips in an organized way.

Honorable mentions:

i41CX ($7.99) is a faithful recreation–well, except for the great keyboard feel–of one of HP’s classic calculators. if you can’t conceive of paying money for a calculator app (and $24.99 plus the i41CX+ version), you’re probably not a prospect for this. I don’t really need this, but I strongly prefer RPN and I used an HP-4CV for many years so this is just comfortable and familiar.

RedLaser ($0.99). you walk into a store and some gizmo you’ve been thinking about buying is on super-special-limited-time-only sale. but is it a bargain? Scan its bar code and find out what it’s selling for on the Internet. I can’t say I actually use this app all that much, but it wows me that such a thing is possible.

SoundHound (free and $4.99 versions). What’s that song playing on the radio? Let SoundHound listen and tell you. This is another app I don’t really use a lot, but makes for another jaw-dropping iPhone demo. now that there’s a free version, there’s no reason not to check it out.

Evernote (free) “lets you create notes, snap photos, and record voice memos that you can then access any time from your iPhone, computer, or the Web.” It’s a service that has developed nicely over the past few years although, for some reason, it’s not something I use systematically enough to be part of my regular work flow.

What applications do you find especially useful that I didn’t mention?

One year in: My most useful iPhone apps

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I’m a Anime freak and I want your opinion on what device would me better a net book that will help me use flash player or a ipad which is small light and totally nice looking. I already use YouTube and veoh to watch anime on my iPod touch but on my computer I use animefreak.com which is awesome.please gives your opinon on what device I should purhase in the near future.

What device should I purchase, the apple Ipad or a netbook from HP?

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It would appear two potential rivals to Apple’s iPad have been bumped off by their parent companies in just a few days’ time. According to reports, Hewlett-Packard’s (HP)Slate tablet, which planned to use Windows 7, has been cancelled. The news comes less than a week after word that Microsoft had nixed its Courier device.

Microsoft admitted last week that it had no plans to release a final version of Courier, a dual-screen, touch screen tablet computer that opened up like an old-timey book and used a stylus for navigation. that wasn’t such a huge surprise, since Courier received most of its attention from technology blogs and was never formally unveiled by MS.

Slate’s Marketing All For Nothing

The Slate situation is much different, however.

HP had more aggressively marketed its device, with Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer excitedly demonstrating its abilities — topped by its running MS operating system (OS) Windows 7 — at the Consumer Electronics show (CES) in Las Vegas last year. in addition, just a few weeks ago a promotional video for Slate appeared on the web, touting the tablet’s many qualities. (Source: hothardware.com)

Slate was set for release this summer, in time to bask in the tablet-love created by Apple’s iPad (released in early April).

Report Suggests Windows 7 to Blame

So, why cancel the Slate? According to bloggers at TechCrunch, HP wasn’t pleased with the way Windows 7 ran on the tablet. beyond speed issues, Windows 7 is optimized for use on a PC, not a touch screen handheld. It’s possible navigating Windows 7 on a tablet just wasn’t everything Ballmer had made it out to be. (Source:sfgate.com)

Also contributing to rumored cancellation, was the troubling power consumption of Intel-based processors.

In the end, it’s unlikely this means HP is out of the tablet market for good. instead, given the company’s recent acquisition of Palm, it’s entirely possible they’re preparing for another, similar device with entirely different mechanics — starting with the operating system. (Source:sfgate.com)

If running Windows 7 on a tablet was akin to running Vista on a netbook (and we all know that didn’t work for HP in the past), then perhaps Slate’s cancellation is a wise decision, indeed.

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